Here we are at the close of a 3-part chapter that started this podcast.
Here we are at the close of a 3-part chapter that started this podcast.
In this episode, Shane tells Nannerl about the various interviews he has had over time, all the way back from his Naked Aggression zine days. Nannerl notices some possible influences to later inter interviewers and content creators.
In this episode, Shane takes Nannerl to Chicago...through stories.
They talk Wesley Willis, the Bucktown Pub and affiliated, Allen Ginsburg, gentrification, and much more. Shane talks about his street cred he received from being published in the Chicago Reader.
Nannerl gets schooled over whats a good Chicago Pizza.
You can read the two articles we talk about here:
"Shocks to the System"
"The Migration of the Hipster"
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Art that Kills
Ever crack open a book and see your friend in it? Nannerl has! Shane Bugbee is one of the featured artists in Art that Kills! Art that Kills was a book published by George Petros that features underground art and other forms of expression from the mid 80s to the early 00's. The book challenges the definition of art and snapshots an era of pushing boundaries and a generation of artists (mostly gen x but not limited)'s responses to society.
A strong recommendation of discretion is advised. The book can be quite graphic.
buy art that kills here: https://www.amazon.com/Art-That-Kills-Panoramic-Aesthetic/dp/1840681659
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Nannerl learns from Shane in this episode about his friendship and collaboration with Dana Plato. Shane reflects about publishing book+Cd "Dana Plato's Last Breath" and Nannerl reads aloud a relevant Amazon review posted 20 years ago.
90's Shane on Nancy Grace discussing book and Dana Plato with Nancy Grace. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OtJYRkaYtV8&feature=emb_title.
hear the dana plato interview on howard stern: https://archive.org/details/dana_plato_interview_
90's Shane on Nancy Grace discussing book and Dana Plato with Nancy Grace.
Dana Plato, exploitation, different strokes, sitcom, exorcist, generosity, queen latifa, Nancy Grace, artist, impulse, fame, invisible celebrity, macaulay culkin, ugly truth, tabloid culture, journalism, wondrous, pornographer, boobies, Oklahoma, mother's day, depression, love, overdose, murder, abusive boyfriend, narcissist, narcissistic, control, embarrassed, psychic vampire, virtue signal, cop killer, ice t, bikers, wrong side of the tracks, the margins, jealousy, plumber stock, San Jose, hipsters, only poor boys take a chance, Chicago, downfalls, fry cook, wasted talent, therapy, friends, toxic ego, evolve, actress, child star, doll on the shelf, hard reset, class and privilege, tragic, death, David Bowie, unicorn cock, funeral homes, mortality, great life or sad death, prince, virtue signaling, ghost
**Barking Dog WARNING! My sincerest apologies, my puppy barked and was being naughty during this recording. There are a few barks here and there, and theyre not as earsplitting as they were IRL, but they are there, and Mea Culpa if they are annoying.
An imfamous zine published by Shane in 1999, complete with coverage about the Columbine shooting, details about Eric Harris/Dylan Klebold's lives, and even letters submitted by survivors of the incident.
The Zine may have faded into obscurity but the shooting still resonates in today's news.
While incredibly controversial, The Trenchcoat Diaries still holds pieces to the puzzle of why mass shootings occur and keep alive the question of if the shooters all have the same backgrounds or not.
Nannerl and Shane also reflect about how the Columbine shooting affected them when it was news.
download the trenchcoat diaries here: https://archive.org/details/columbine_zine
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On Bullies and Being Bullied
Shane and Nannerl discuss how it felt to be bullied, and how sometimes we become bullies in response to our pain, and how others are just plain cruel.
CW: anecdotes from Shane and Nannerl of being bullied.
A prequel to the next episode. Stay tuned for next time when we reflect on Columbine, more on bullying, and Shane's publishing of "The Trenchcoat Diaries".
You can download the zine for free, here: https://archive.org/details/columbine_zine
Columbine, school shooters, bullies, bullied, predator, prey, wolves, bill gates, control, guidance, might is right, might of mind, mind, opposition, sadist, sadistic, reactionary, sociopaths, fight, alpha, beta, agency, Brut, intellectual, football, sports, competition, boomers, gen x, tech, Elon musk, swirly, hinddy binddy, heads in the toilet, justice, wet t-shirt content, jocks, nerds, cruelty, cruelly, Peggy Hill, pearl harbor, tribalism, victim, survivor, Chicago, Astoria, Oregon, mediocre, stratified, stratification, art, artists, mediocrity, tipping point, Malcolm Gladwell, tall men make more money, bikers, 1%, abuse, abused, threatening, scared, fear, damaged people damage people, stop collaborate and listen, vanilla ice
Grab some chips and salsa! Its time to hear about Shane's collaborations with Dorthea Puente, John Wayne Gacy's art, and Ed Gein's gravestone.
Nannerl and Shane Discuss what it was like for Shane to befriend Dorthea Puente, and how similar she was to some women he knows.
Shane reflects how he felt then and now with such dealings and how it may've affected others.
to purchase cooking with a serial killer: https://www.amazon.com/Cooking-Serial-Killer-Recipes-Dorothea/dp/1411615441/ref=sr_1_1?qid=1578632556&refinements=p_27%3AShane+Bugbee&s=books&sr=1-1&text=Shane+Bugbee
to purchase shane's true crime warped minds book: http://www.lulu.com/shop/shane-bugbee/true-crime-warped-mind-book-1/paperback/product-18923901.html
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So here it is, the episode about how Shane's marriage ended. Nannerl learns about what it was like to end a 20 year partnership and how such a falling out could happen among two public Satanists.
Some revisiting of Shane's book, "The Tangible Formula for Love and Loss, Despair and Joy, and the Triumph & Failure of the Collective Will pt. 1", and Nannerl gets some context about the book she didnt consider before.
Plus a very surprising revelation from Shane at the very end: Nannerl thought they were done recording, and then this interesting detail.
episode 2 of our Season 1 covers this book for the first time, and while its not a necessary listen for this episode, we'd love it if you checked it out to hear Nannerl's first impressions of this book.
If you would like your own copy of Shane's book, it is available here in Soft or Hardcover:
Scapegoat of love, love, divorce, life in peril, married, marriage, psychiatrist, crazy making, fear, afraid, paranoid, men can't have feelings, Artist value, sadist, sadistic, s&m, bondage, sex cult, abuse, abused, religious in love, flawed, pathetic nostalgia, drama, Satanic Temple, Church of Satan, Progress, Satanic, satanism, satanist, evil, knife in the back, femenism, femanist
In this second part of this 3 part feature of Season 3, Shane tells Nannerl how the #metoo movement affected him, and how he realized how relatable it was, and resonated with him in regards to the women in his life.
He realizes something has to change for him.
Stay tuned for the final installation of this miniseries next time, when he reveals more, and what it was he needed to change and get away from.
note: the story Shane was referring was Margaret Atwood's "Stone Mattress" and the podcast he mentioned while on this topic can be found here:
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3.2 Influential Women
Shane an Nannerl talk about some women from Shane's past and present who changed Shane's life, helped him and even inspired him to pursue new paths. Ex Girlfriends, co-conspirators, collaborators, and even elders are mentioned here, but not all influences are good, unfortunately.
Nurturing, metal head, heavy metal subculture, Italian culture, passion, underground subculture, art, regional not national, duality, goddess, black widow wife, predatory, woman, women, toxic masculinity, religion, cultural folk lore about women, pretense, artist life, Dixie, bucktown pub, underground comix hall of fame, the invisible female, play dumb or else, toxic relationship, hashtag where are my witches at